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America Will Be ... | 19 comments (19 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: America Will Be ... (4.00 / 7)

Please, with love, kindness and allowance of your opinion, please get beyond it. I remember when we gays were blamed the day after the 2004 election. It was our fault for wanting civil rights that Kerry lost. And that was on the Big Orange, people who mouthed the words, we support you, we want you to have your rights and then turned immediately to blame.

As I recall I didn't have anything to do with the lies the rebugs told and continue to spew to try to bring fear to the hearts of american citizens. As I recall I have never asked for nor expected anything other than the same civil rights for everyone, every citizen.

I am not particularly a proponent of marriage, that would be marriage for anyone, straight, gay or otherwise, but if it is a right or a privilege that the government wants to give to citizens, then it must be to all citizens.

We told the African Americans, not yet, be quiet, don't make waves, it will come. . .sometime. . .and it took hundreds of years. Now we want to tell GLBT, not yet, be quiet, don't make waves, it will come. . .sometime, just STFU.

Please! Stop living in fear. This country is further along than you think. They will bring change in a wave no one will believe possible. Yes, the repugs will use this issue and every other slimeball, dirty, nasty, lying thing they can come up with. We have a candidate that can and will stand up to them and do it with strength, truth and integrity, not to mention amazing eloquence.

Try to move towards hope and away from fear.

Thanks
Shirl

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by shirlstars (shirlstarsw@aol.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 07:01:30 PM EST
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Re: America Will Be ... (4.00 / 4)

Thank you. I still am angry at quite a few bloggers and politicians that tried to lay the 2004 loss by Kerry and the Democratic Party at the GLBT Community's door. The ones who are willing to do that hate us as much as the Republicans do but will not admit it and always want us to wait till a better day or time.

Doing My Part For The Left

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 07:17:24 PM EST
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Re: America Will Be ... (4.00 / 3)

We told the African Americans, not yet, be quiet, don't make waves, it will come. . .sometime. . .and it took hundreds of years. Now we want to tell GLBT, not yet, be quiet, don't make waves, it will come. . .sometime, just STFU.

Actually, it's "STFU, but keep giving us your votes and writing those checks."

Bill Buckley once described conservatives as "standing athwart history yelling "Stop!"

Sometimes I think some moderate-to-conservative Democrats are standing athwart history yelling "Not yet!"

Which kind of means the same thing.

The latter have been on the wrong side of history in every progressive movement for change from abolition to unions to women's suffrage to civil rights. And they will be on the wrong side when this history is written.

The former will be recorded as not having taken a side, having taken a side reluctantly, or having waited until it was safe to do so.

Terrance Heath
Washington, DC
www.republicoft.com

by TerranceDC on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 10:59:30 PM EST
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Re: America Will Be ... (none / 0)

I'm not blaming anyone. Just cursing the timing. And I'm not saying don't make waves. Just not until November.

When you say,"Stop living in fear", I'm sure you are young. Harry Truman first called for Universal Health Care when I was a toddler. Now, I'm a few years from Medicare but today's toddlers are still waiting. Union membership has fallen drastically since I was a boy. The manufacturing base of the economy is just a shell. Congress approves torture and the suspension of Habeas Corpus. Prominent politicians openly call for dismantling Social Security and banning employer-paid Health Insurance. One man comes along and offers hope and I see my own class (white blue collar) tossing him aside because of stupid prejudice. I've seen too much disappointment in my life to not say, "Here we go again".

But I AM on your side and really didn't want to rain on your parade.

by The Voice In The Wilderness on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 11:06:14 PM EST
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Re: America Will Be ... (4.00 / 2)

There is no perfect time and Tomorrow never comes.

Doing My Part For The Left

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 11:14:57 PM EST
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WOW (4.00 / 4)

Thanks for the young comment. I will be 68 later this year. I've seen it all, heard it all and keep hearing it all. Been looking for "our turn" since I was 20 in 1960. Still waiting. Don't suppose it matters much if we ever have civil rights. . .we are only 10 or 15% of the population and we are strange and all that. <snark>

I don't mean to ascribe anything to you that isn't yours, it is just difficult to understand what motivation there is for the GLBT community to do nothing until November, I thought perhaps it is fear that it would color the election possibilities for our candidate.

JMO, nothing more and no more important than any others.

It will never be "convenient" to take a stand for GLBT or anyone that wants to be included as full citizens of this country if it is "uncomfortable" for the main stream. So hopefully those who are wiser and more experienced than I will let me know when the right time comes.

If something should happen and a Dem is not elected president in November, then I'll just go stand at the head of that GLBT line so those reliable nay sayers can start pointing at me and telling me it is MY fault. I'm used to it, so it's no big deal. I've stood at the front of many lines during my life. What's one more?I thank you for being on "our" side. I know then, that you will not be one of those pointing and yelling obscenities the day after election day. Thank you for that.

I know what you mean. . .seems like I've been saying "here we go again. . ." every day of my life.

Peace and hugs
Shirl

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by shirlstars (shirlstarsw@aol.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 11:50:41 PM EST
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Re: WOW (none / 1)

Thanks for understanding. And seeing as how we are near in age, I understand you're sick of waiting for the promised land too.

by The Voice In The Wilderness on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 06:12:03 PM EST
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