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Max Holland vs the Nation re JFK | 52 comments (52 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

"apologist", (none / 0)

"copout", "pathetic", when you have no evidence all you seem capable of is personal attack.

When presented with cogent arguments and the facts of the case, you conspiracy buffs are lost. You call Professor McAdams names but do not address his arguments. All you have is the smoke and mirrors of speculation.

by Ed J on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 07:35:46 AM EST
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Re: "apologist", (none / 0)

I find it intrigueing that you ridicule the fact (and I use that word deliberately) that there was a conspiracy, yet you seem unwilling or unable to back up your own misguided faith in the Warren Report. You have no business questioning the logic of others if you refuse to offer none of your own. Instead you accuse those who challenge you and your mentors of name calling. Of course I understand where you are coming from because there is no way to intelligently or honestly defend the Warren Report. I don't blame you for offering useless links in place of rational discourse.

jpol

by jpol on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 10:18:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You call it a "useless link"... (none / 1)

because it scares the bejeezus out of you. You have no answers so you run away from it.

As for my "mentors" (what silly condescension), I need no mentors, the Warren Report is my guide and you have done it no damage whatsoever.

by Ed J on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 11:47:45 AM EST
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Re: You call it a "useless link"... (none / 0)

Unlike you I am prepared to discuss the facts. You have yet to offer a single argument in defense of your faith in the Warren Report. If it is condescension to point that out, so be it.

I might remind you, by the way, that Lisa's diary was not even about the Warren Report. It was about the dishonest approach another of its apopogists, Max Holland, uses to distract and mislead readers of The Nation. If you are so hell-bent on defending the Warren Report while offering no rationale in support of it why not write your own diary instead of hijacking Lisa's. I really do not intend to respond to any more of your posts unless you stop dodging the issue and offer up some rationale for why we should believe the Warren Report. If you've studied the evidence that shouldn't be such a daunting challenge, and if you haven't how dare you question the scholarship of those that have.

jpol

by jpol on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 12:10:08 PM EST
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"Scholarship" is an interesting word... (none / 0)

for you to use.

These are the credentials of a scholar:

John C. McAdams
Ph.D. Harvard University, Associate Professor. Professor McAdams teaches American Politics, Public Opinion, and Voter Behavior, and has taught at the Kennedy School of Government. Research interests include Congressional elections, social class and politics, the New Class and the death penalty. Publications include articles in various journals including American Journal of Political Science, Journal of Politics, Sociological Quarterly and Law and Contemporary Problems.

I've already wasted too much time on this, the last word is all yours.

by Ed J on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 12:21:22 PM EST
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Re: "Scholarship"? (none / 0)

That means nothing, as Peter Dale Scott, John Newman, James Fetzer and many other professors at universities say that there WAS a conspiracy. Argument from authority is a classic propaganda technique. Authority is meaningless because you can people in all professions willing to shill for the government to get ahead.

McAdams is also one of the most right-wing people you will ever meet. He's a huge supporter of President Bush. Are you? If not, do you concede he cannot possibly be right about everything?

McAdams long ago admitted working for the ICPSR, an child organization of the Institute for Social Research, which used to be called the Survey Research Center, housed at the University of Michigan. As Christopher Simpson wrote in his book "Science of Coercion" that the institute was virtually an outpost of the federal government, owing its survival to contracts with government agencies, including propaganda agencies. So it surprises me not at all that he is willing to shill re the JFK case.

Did you know he once accused a respected doctor in the research community of being a drug user, with absolutly no evidence? The good doctor ran right out to get an instant blood test to prove how ridiculous that was.

Some respected authority. He's the laughing stock of the cognescenti in the research community.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 07:22:06 PM EST
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Re: You call it a "useless link"... (none / 1)

I've rated you a troll because in this entire set of comments, you've done nothing but promote a disinformationist, John McAdams, a man who admittedly lied about who he was to a journalist, who has repeatedly distorted and misrepresented the evidence on this case. You are trying to provoke a fight here with Jerry. Troll isthe appropriate rating given the lack of any intelligent contribution to this thread, and your actions.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 02:11:41 PM EST
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Troll-rate away to your heart's content. (none / 1)

You and jpol have a real problem - you get overwrought when anyone dares disagree with you. I'll say it again and again, Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone. All the troll-rating in the world won't change that fact.

I don't know Mr. McAdams and don't care about his politics. The two of you are afraid of his arguments because they deal with facts and not speculation.

Now, excuse me, gotta go to the mailbox - I think my CIA paycheck came today.

by Ed J on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 08:46:31 PM EST
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Re: Troll-rate away to your heart's content. (none / 0)

You don't know what's fact or not because you have only read McAdams' version of the events. How do I know that? Because even the most casual perusal of the facts, many of which are available on my site, which Jerry gave you a link to, show that McAdams is deliberately misrepresenting the truth. Wallow away in your ignorance. But to assert as fact what you don't even know makes you really look ridiculous.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Sun Feb 12th, 2006 at 07:49:43 PM EST
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